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Single Most Important Military Development

Postby Sulla » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:24 pm

Hia Guys,

Ok, lets get some grey matter working ;)

What would "YOU" consider to be the 3 most important factors within this time period that shaped the military?

These can be doctrinal/tactical/hardware etc. What created the turning points at any proint bewteen 1600 - 1900?

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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby pfc.Michael » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:38 am

The Gatlin gun
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby Ronson » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:01 pm

Purely from a British point of view :)

The Royal Navy

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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby GWL_Tim » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:18 pm

I would think the development of the rifle - its still the infantrymans main weapon. Its such a long period that there were too many developments - artillery too of course.
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby nichols » Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:13 pm

1. Overall the French Indian (Seven Years) War:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0375706364/ref=sib_fs_top/102-4178334-2888904?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S01I&checkSum=jfV9nXOBVGwxm1xRsNiFnIghmusvtQIVrMW3LAfd%2Btw%3D#reader-link.

My reasons are that this was the first "Global War" where logisitics far away from home played a major part. This also defined naval design and tactics that were used up until the advent of the aircraft carrier. IMO it is the foundation of what we as a civilization are today.

2. Napoleanic Wars, the first use of a "Nation at Arms" concept where the foundation (rank & file) of the military were mobilized citizens.

3. Magellan's sailing around the world in 1521; 79 years earlier than the thread title but boy oh boy did that open up a can of worms :)
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby CSO CC DJ » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:41 pm

1) The evolution of the rifle to become the weapon of choice and making armour obsolete

2) Development of artillery and cannon to be used not only as a siege weapon but as an assault weapon. The age of castles and fortresses comes to end. The great Byzantine stronghold of Constanstinople finally falls due to the effects of Turkish cannon attacks.

3) Unconventional warfare and tactics - seen in the colonial wars and the U.S. Civil War (trench warfare, guerilla hit and run tactics, etc.)
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby yukongold » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:40 am

I would have to add the composite recurve bow crafted by the Turks in the 15th and 16th centuries. Their strength and durability was certainly a tribute to the skill of the Turkish bowyers. With a range of up to 700 yds. this must have given their troops a marked advantage. The technical advantage was shortlived with the introduction of firearms soon to follow. I still shudder at the thought of being at the receiving end of a thousand archers :aaa: arrows.
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby ArmeeGruppeSud » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:25 pm

Not just the Turkish bows.
One of the most remarkable of early cannon is a proud possession of Mehmed, the Turkish conqueror of [url=javascript:gotoXRef('fqu')]Constantinople[/url]. Before his final attack in 1453 he terrifies the inhabitants by trundling close to their city a massive 19-ton bombard of cast iron. It requires 16 oxen and 200 men to manoeuvre it into its firing position. Once there, it settles down to a slow but devastating bombardment. A stone weighing as much as 600 pounds can be lobbed against the great city walls. The rate of fire is seven stones a day.

Gun powder (introduced to the west prior to 1600) had massive effect on warfare. The first record of the actual use of gunpowder in Europe is a statement by Bishop Albertus Magnus in 1280 that it was used at the Siege of Seville

It was followed by many innovations that improved it impact.

Rifling was invented in 1498

Rifled arms had been made since 1540

The standard flintlock gun came in about 1630
The whole English army was equipped with flintlocks in 1690

Breech-loading cannon were known as early as the sixteenth century, and in the War Museum at Lisbon you may see guns of this type which are more than three hundred years old

The earliest known English breech-loading rifle was made by Willmore in 1689
By the Franco-Prussian War of 1871, the breech-loading rifle had become standard issue for European armies.

Anyway, breech loading, the cartidge round and rifling were 3 significant turning points bewteen 1600 - 1900 for both small arms and cannon.

a few interesting pages:
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?groupid=312&HistoryID=aa89

http://home.earthlink.net/~turnerbrigade/modemrif.htm
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabrmetz/gabr001a.htm
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/science/inventions/chpt21.htm
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby Pz_meyer » Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:05 am

Well if the 1900 goes thru 1999, then I would have to say #1 being folks like Leonardo Da Vinci and being able to see into the future and the evolution of thechnology and it's practical use. #2 would be combined operations between different branches of military power,I hate the word "blitzkrieg" because it was political. #3 would be regardless of the time period, the ability to sustain(logisitcs) a force over long distances, doesn't matter who you are or quality of your forces if the soldiers don't have food to eat or have shelter from the elements then they won't win very often.
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby CSO CC DJ » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:27 pm

Sulla wrote:Hia Guys,

Ok, lets get some grey matter working ]"YOU"[/B] consider to be the 3 most important factors within this time period that shaped the military?

These can be doctrinal/tactical/hardware etc. What created the turning points at any proint bewteen 1600 - 1900?

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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby Pz_meyer » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:45 am

How about the rifled gunbarrel, used against Napoleon at Waterloo. Cannister shot also used at Waterloo and during the American Civil War. The Gatlin gun could have been exploited early on but limited thinking kept it from becoming a leading weapon right up to our day.
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby scott2978 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:55 am

1. Gunpowder

2. Combustion Engine

3. Rocketry

In that order.
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby ArmeeGruppeSud » Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:41 am

If we want to talk about the Single Most Important Military Development of All Time.

Lets say; The discovery of meltable metals, forging and molding.

Why?

Because without that, we would still be fighting with rocks, sticks and animal bones.

hey, dont knock the animal bones :D

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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby Senior Drill » Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:45 am

Humm, sure, if you want to credit myths, but that is completely outside the range of the original question. 1600's to 1900's.

I think that the greatest development came in the 1500's with the refinement of casting bronze cannon from clay molds rather than the lost wax method and the further refinement in the 1600's of cooling from the bore out via a water circualtion system that eliminated the problems of contraction. This allowed foundries to make cannon much faster with far fewer bad pours that had to be re-melted.

The increased production of bronze cannons in the late 1500's and throughout the 1600's changed the balance of infantry to artillery on the battlefield and changed the very manner of war both on land and at sea.
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Re: Single Most Important Military Development

Postby CSO CC DJ » Tue May 30, 2006 6:54 pm

Senior Drill wrote:Humm, sure, if you want to credit myths, but that is completely outside the range of the original question. 1600's to 1900's.

I think that the greatest development came in the 1500's with the refinement of casting bronze cannon from clay molds rather than the lost wax method and the further refinement in the 1600's of cooling from the bore out via a water circualtion system that eliminated the problems of contraction. This allowed foundries to make cannon much faster with far fewer bad pours that had to be re-melted.

The increased production of bronze cannons in the late 1500's and throughout the 1600's changed the balance of infantry to artillery on the battlefield and changed the very manner of war both on land and at sea.


Yes it made the great fortress city of Constantinople and all other castles obsolete.

Gun powder and the development of sophisticated cannon changed the world.

This alone caused the end of the Byzantine Empire and a siege that lasted for over 100 years.
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