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El Comendante 22nd April 2004 10:28 PM

Budapest 1944-1945 mod started
 
Hauptmann, Kruger and me have begun to make a new mod for Close Combat V about the besieging of Budapest in 1944-1945.
We need the maps and photos of Budapest from this period of time.
We have roughly order of battle of the German and Hungarian troops, but we have not the detailed OoB of the Soviet and Romanian troops. We gather the informations about various weapons and equipment used by the opponents during this battle. We are also looking for somebody who could record Romanian battle screams. We plan to add the Romanians in new submod, because there can be three different voices in this game (Hungarian, Russian and German).
Everybody can join our team. We have Hungarian sounds almost completed.

CSO_agar 22nd April 2004 10:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by El Comendante
Hauptmann, Kruger and me have begun to make a new mod for Close Combat V about the besieging of Budapest in 1944-1945.
We need the maps and photos of Budapest from this period of time.
We have roughly order of battle of the German and Hungarian troops, but we have not the detailed OoB of the Soviet and Romanian troops. We gather the informations about various weapons and equipment used by the opponents during this battle. We are also looking for somebody who could record Romanian battle screams. We plan to add the Romanians in new submod, because there can be three different voices in this game (Hungarian, Russian and German).
Everybody can join our team. We have Hungarian sounds almost completed.

Excelent, I look into my books for you guys.
Agar

Uberdave 22nd April 2004 11:11 PM

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I can provide Soviet TOEs and OOB...just give me some time.

Can also dig up Hungarian voices & weapon sounds if needed.

D#c%

Good mod idea!

El Comendante 23rd April 2004 12:12 AM

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Of course I need it all, however as I wrote above I have almost all Hungarian sounds, but perharps ten. How did you get the sounds of the Hungarian weapon? I browsed whole Internet and could not find them...

Uberdave 23rd April 2004 12:40 AM

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Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Barbarossa has lots of voices and weapon sounds for Hungarian, Russian, Romanian, Finnish, Italian, and German troops.

Let me know the specifics and I will provide.

GoLeafsGo 23rd April 2004 05:45 AM

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Good to hear, I love the battles of the Eastern Front. Will this mod entail a certain month of the battles around Budapest like the encirclement, the German Counter-Offensive in 1945 or both?

El Comendante 23rd April 2004 08:46 AM

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You know, its a problem, because there is a limit of the maps in Close Combat, so we decided to make a mod about the fights in the city only. Perharps we will need a graphician, because we do the first steps in the graphic programs. We want to avoid such a situation how in Red Storm Rising mod - there were no new maps and the maps for this mod have NOTHING common with the terrain in post-war Germany. For example there are too many bocages, hedges and too little urban terrains. No offense of course ;)

Kruger 23rd April 2004 10:50 AM

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This mod its only for fighting Allied and Axis troops in the siege of Budapest. Possibly, one operation for hipotetical situation - success of IV SS Armoured Corps which arrives to Budapest.
That is my proposition for the partition Axis troops in Budapest (on the basis of the Polish book: "Budapeszt 1944-45" of Marcin Sowa. He wrote this on the basis of the books of the Hungarian historians).

8th SS Cavalry Division
ca. 8000 soldiers, 29 tanks and self-propelled guns, 30 cannons, 17 heavy AT guns.
- Partition of 4 groups of SS cavalry with elements of battalions: armoured-reconaissance, artillery, engineers, AA, signal, tank destroyers
1 battlegroup - 15th SS cavalry regiment
2 battlegroup - 16th SS cavalry regiment
3 battlegroup - 17th SS cavalry regiment
4 battlegroup - 18th SS cavalry regiment
Division commander - Brigadeführer Joachim Rumohr

22nd SS Cavalry Division
11345 soldiers, 17 tanks and self-propelled guns, 37 cannon, 14 heavy AT guns
- Partition of 4 groups SS cavalry with elements of battalions: armoured-reconaissance, mechanized artillery, AA, tank destroyers, signal.
5 battlegroup - 52nd SS cavalry regiment
6 battlegroup - 53rd SS cavalry regiment
7 battlegroup -54th SS cavalry regiment
8 battlegroup - 55th regiment cavalry SS
Division commander - Brigadeführer August Zehender

13th Panzer Division
ca. 5000 soldiers (mainly crew: tanks, artillery and back services), 17 tanks (Pz.V and Pz.IV), artillery regiment - 35 mechanized guns (Hummel, Wespe), 8 heavy AT guns
- Partition of 2 armoured groups, with th elements of battalions: reconaissance, motorcycle, engineers and the rest infrantry soldiers (66th and 93rd riflemen regiments and 13th riflemen brigade).
9 battlegroup - I/4 panzer regiment
10 battlegroup - II/4 panzer regiment
Division commander - Generalmajor Schmidhuber

"Feldherrnhalle" Panzer Division
7255 soldiers, 24 tanks, 38 cannons, 9 heavy AT guns
- Partition of 2 groups panzergrenadieren with elements battalions: armoured, artillery (also mechanized) and 1 group reconaissance - armoured-reconaissance cars and motorcycles.
11 battlegroup - I/ Panzergrenadier-Regiment Feldherrnhalle
12 battlegroup - II/ Panzergrenadier-Regiment Feldherrnhalle
13 battlegroup - Panzer-Aufklarung-Abteilung Feldherrnhalle
Division commander - Generalmajor Günther Pape (he was out of siege of Budapest, I don't now who commanded the rest of division in the city)

271st Volksgrenadiere Division
ca. 1000 soldiers, 6 cannons, 4 heavy AT guns
- Partition of 1 group, remains of division + penal battalion
14 battlegroup - 271st Volksgrenadiere Division
Division commander - Oberstleutnant Kündiger

10th Infrantry Division (Hungarian)
ca. 7500 soldiers (only ca. 1000 fighting), 25 cannons, 3 heavy AT guns
- Partition of 3 groups of Hungarian infrantry with elements of battalions: artillery, AA, reconaiisance, engineers and signal
15 battlegroup - 6th Infrantry Regiment
16 battlegroup - 8th Infrantry Regiment
17 battlegroup - 18th Infrantry Regiment
Division commander - colonel Sándor András

12th Reserve Division (Hungarian)
ca. 4000 soldiers (only ca. 500 fighting), 26 cannons, 12 heavy AT guns
- Partition of 2 weak groups of Hungarian infrantry with elements batallions: signal, cavalry, AA, engineers.
18 battlegroup - 36th Infrantry Regiment
19 battlegroup - 38th Infrantry Regiment
Division commander - brigade-general István Baumann

1 st Armoured Division (Hungarian)
ca. 5000 soldiers (only ca. 500 fighting), 3 cannons, 3 heavy AT guns, 7 tanks
- Partition of 2 weak groups of motorized infrantry with elements rest of armoured regiment and battalions: armoured-reconaissance, artillery, AA, engineers.
20 battlegroup - I/2nd Motorized Infrantry Regiment
21 battlegroup - II/2nd Motorized Infrantry Regiment.
Division commander - colonel Vértessy

Kampfgruppe "Billnitzer" (Hungarian)
ca. 2000 soldiers (only ca. 1000 fighting), 8 heavy AT guns, 30-32 self-propelled guns type Zrinyi II
Partition of 1 group of Hungarian motorized infrantry, AT guns and self-propelled guns
22 battlegroup - "Billnitzer" - the group was commanded by General Billnitzer Ernő.

Kampfgruppe "Vannaya" (Hungarian)
ca. 800 sodiers - a Hungarian allert-battalion of "cross-arrow" soldiers, brave, 2-line, volunter soldiers, excellent morale and very good knowledge of the city
- 1 group of Hungarian infantry with elements of many units, AA artillery
23 battlegroup - "Vannaya"
Group commander - major Laszlo Vannaya

IX Gebirgs Korps SS
ca. 7000 soldiers. corps headquarters, back services, wounded and sick soldiers
1 regiment police SS - ca. 700 soldiers
battalion "Europa" - ca. 300 soldiers (from others units)
AA units - ca. 2000 soldiers, 72 AA guns (including 24 heavy ones)
- Partition of 1 group - infrantry, SS policemen, AA units, staff units
24 battlegroup - IX Gebirgs Korps SS
Corps commander - Obergruppenfuehrer Karl Pfeffer-Wildenbruch

The other Hungarian units attached to battlegroups:
6th AA division (all Hungarian AA artillery) - 168 AA guns, ok. 20-30 cannons, 3000-4000 soldiers
4th cavalry regiment - hussars (from Hungarian 1 Cavalry Division) - 250 soldiers,
2 academic battalions - ca. 1000 soldiers,,
5 batallion of Military Police - ca. 1000 soldiers,
Guard battalion - ca. 800 soldiers,
Cross-Arrow - ca. 4000 soldiers (without "Vannaya")
Police - ca. 7000 (only ca. 2000 fighting)
Back services - ca. 3000
Technical and work units - ca. 7000, no weapon and useless, disband 6.01.1945.

We still have 3 battle groups ( there can be 27 battle groups in Close Combat). I propose to make a hipotetical operation – “IV SS Panzer Korps gains Budapeszt” and those 3 groups will remain for this corps

lenin 23rd April 2004 09:14 PM

Re: Budapest 1944-1945 mod started
 
I can help you with info about hungarian and rumanian forces

Uberdave 24th April 2004 01:37 AM

Re: Budapest 1944-1945 mod started
 
heres a map of the Dec 20th, 1944 'Siege of Budapest'. Kinda hard to read tho...

Uberdave 25th April 2004 09:01 AM

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Here is a rough draft of the Soviet/Romanian OOB @ Budapest Dec.44-Jan.45:


2nd Ukrainian Front:

7th Guards Army
25th Guards Rifle Corps (6 Guards Airborne Division, 53rd and 409th Guards Rifle Divisions)
27th Guards Rifle Corps (36th, 141st, 243rd, and 303rd Guards Rifle Divisions)
30th Rifle Corps (25th, 151st, and 155th Rifle Divisions)
27th Guards Tank Brigade
16th Breakthrough Artillery Division
26th AA Arty Division

6th Guards Tank Army
5th Guards Tank Corps (20th, 21st, 22nd Guards Tank Brigade, 6th Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade))
9th Guards Motorized Corps (18th, 30th, and 31st Guards Motorized Brigade, 46th Guards Tank Brigade)

Guards Cavalry Army (???)
3rd Guards Cavalry Corps (9th and 10th Guards Cavalry Divisions, 30th Cavalry Division)
6th Guards Cavalry Corps (8th and 13th Guards Cavalry Divisions, 8th Cavalry Division)
4th Guards Motorized Corps (13th, 14th, 15th Guards Motorized Brigades, 36th Guards Tank Brigade)

Front Reserves
18th Guards Rifle Corps (66th, 68th, 297th, and 317th Guards Rifle Divisions)
133rd Rifle Corps (21st, 104th, and 122nd Rifle Divisions)
93rd Guards Rifle Division


3rd Ukrainian Front:

4th Guards Army
20th Guards Rifle Corps (5th and 7th Guards Airborne Divisions, 40th Guards Rifle Division)
21st Guards Rifle Corps (62nd and 69th Guards Rifle Divisions)
31st Guards Rifle Corps (4th, 34th, and 80th Guards Rifle Divisions)
68th Rifle Corps (52nd, 93rd, and 223rd Rifle Divisions)
135th Rifle Corps (41st Guards Rifle Division, 84th and 252nd Rifle Divisions)

46th Army
10th Guards Rifle Corps (49th, 86th, 109th, and 180th Guards Rifle Divisions)
23rd Rifle Corps (99th and 316th Rifle Divisions, 83rd Marine Rifle Brigade)
37th Rifle Corps (59th and 108th Guards Rifle Divisions, 320th Rifle Division)

Front Reserves
5th Guards Cavalry Corps (11th, 12th, and 63rd Guards Cavalry Divisions)
7th Motorized Corps (16th, 63rd, and 64th Motorized Rifle Brigades, 41st Guards Tank Brigade)
7th Breakthrough Artillery Division
9th Breakthrough Artillery Division
3rd, 4th, 9th, and 22nd AA Artillery Divisions

Also:
7th Army Corps (Romanian)
2nd Infantry Division
19th Infantry Division
9th Cavalry Division


Please note that I will update this as more info is acquired. TOEs are on the way as well...

GSBluecher 25th April 2004 11:39 AM

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mouth watering news!

GSBluecher 25th April 2004 11:41 AM

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btw..there will be new Maps in RSR in v1.0, more will follow ...

El Comendante 25th April 2004 06:55 PM

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Thanks Uberdave :)
Could you give me the source of the Order of Battle?

Uberdave 26th April 2004 12:19 AM

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The source is David Glantz, as well as a website with some info:

http://www.geocities.com/opkonrad/z65-3UKFoob.html

BAMBAM 27th April 2004 01:50 PM

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El Comendante,

Any dedicated website?
Can you provide me a mainscreen and or splash screen?

For this questions, look at my website and you will understand ;)

CSO CC DJ 28th April 2004 12:51 AM

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Good work...

This was one of the long forgotten battles on the eastern front, not given much attention by the west.

Looking forward to it.

Kruger 28th April 2004 10:36 AM

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My propositions for backgrounds of Main Menu.
I don't know Photoshop very good, I only come to know this program, and therefore I am not satisfied, but I now - I don't make this better.

Uberdave 28th April 2004 09:48 PM

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nice images!

Kruger 29th April 2004 01:14 PM

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It is nothing special. In case of Photoshop I'm in elementary school.
And third proposition.

Uberdave 29th April 2004 11:47 PM

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Here are a few TOEs of Soviet units. Please note that these include combat elements only. They also do not take into account support elements attached to larger formations (corps, army, etc.).


Soviet Tank Brigade (circa Nov. 43)
63 Tanks total

3 Tank Batallions, each:
HQ - (1 x T34 HQ)
2 Tank Coys, each
...1 X T34 HQ
...3 Pltns, each 3 X T34s


Motorized SMG Batallion (507 men):
2 SMG Coys, each
...3 Pltns, each 3 X SMG Squads (11 men w/ smgs and 1 lmg)
...1 MG Pltn (2 X Maxim mmg)
1 SMG Coy (tank riders)
...3 Pltns, each 3 X SMG Squads (10 men - all smgs)
ATR Coy (53 men - 18 X ATRs)
AT Battery (4 X 45mm guns)

AAMG Coy (9 X DShK hmgs)


Soviet Motorized Rifle Brigade (circa Feb. 43)
37 tanks, 3 armored cars total

Recon Coy
...3 Pltns, each 3 X Recon Squads (10 men - smgs)

Tank Regiment:
HQ (3 X BA-64 AC)
3 Medium Coys, each
...1 X T34 HQ
...3 Pltns, each 3 X T34s
1 Light Coy
...1 X T70 HQ
...2 Pltns, each 3 X T70s

3 Motorized Rifle Batallions, each:
3 Mot. Rifle Coys, each
...3 Pltns, each 4 Rifle Squads (11 men each)
...1 MG Pltn (2 X Maxim mmg)
1 MG Coy, each
...3 Pltns, each 2 X Maxim MMGs

SMG Coy (104 men)
...3 Pltns, each 3 SMG Squads (11 men each)

ATR Coy (27 X ATRs)

Mortar Batallion (12 X 82mm - 6 X 120mm mortars)

Artillery Batallion (12 X 76mm guns)

AAMG Coy (9 X DShK hmgs)

Pioneer Mine Coy (121 men - specializes in laying and removing mines)


Soviet Cavalry Division (circa mid-1943)
1 Cav Squadron = approx 1.5 inf coys

Recon Squadron (88 men)

Tank Regiment:
2 Medium Tank Coys, each
...1 X T34 HQ
...3 Pltns, each 3 X T34s
1 Light Tank Coy
...1 X T70 HQ
...2 Pltns, each 3 X T70s

Artillery-Mortar Regiment (10 X AAMGS, 8 X 76mm IG, 18 X 120mm mortars)

Engineer Squadron (50 men w/ explosives)

3 Cavalry Regiments, each:
Pioneer Pltn (23 men w/smgs & explosives)
4 Mounted Cavalry Squadrons, each
...Squadron HQ (8)
...4 Line Pltns, each
..........HQ (3 men)
..........3 X Cav Squads (each 8 men w/ smgs and 1 lmg)
...MG Pltn (4 X Maxim mmgs)
...AT Pltn (6 X ATRs)
...Mortar Squadron (4 X 82mm)
...Regimental Battery (4 X 76mm guns)
...AT Battery (4 X 45mm guns)


Soviet Breakthrough Artillery Division (Sept. 1944)

Light Brigade (48 X 76mm guns)
Howitzer Brigade (84 X 122mm howitzers)
Mortar Brigade (108 X 120mm mortars)
Hvy Mortar Brigade (32 X 160mm mortars)
BR Howitzer Brigade (24 X 203mm howitzers)
Rocket Launcher Brigade (36 X M31-12s)


Soviet Airborne Rifle Division (Aug. 1944)
Airborne Division was much like Guards Rifle Division, except that hvy weapons and artillery were absent.

Consisted of 3 Airborne Rifle Brigades; each

Bicycle Recon Coy (116 men)
...3 Pltns, each 3 X Recon Squads (10 men - 1 lmg, 1 carbine, 8 smgs)

AT Batallion (16 X 45mm guns, 18 X ATRs)

Pioneer Coy
...3 Pltns, each 3 X Pioneer Squads (8 men - 1 carbine, 2 smgs, 5 svt40)

4 Airborne Rifle Batallions, each
3 Coys, each
...3 Pltns, each
...........3 X LMG Squads (11 men - 1 lmg, rifles/carbines)
...........1 X 50mm section (4 men)
MG Coy (12 X Maxim mmgs)
Mortar Coy (6 X 82mm mortars)
AT Coy (27 x ATRs)


Primary source: 'Red Army Handbook' by Zaloga and Ness

Buck_Compton 30th April 2004 11:32 AM

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Hey kruger i checked ur picture for the main screen. it looks ok nice pics and so on only 1 thing is a bit less. there is to much withe on the edges of the pics. u might try to redo that...if you done that is should be great.

greetz buck

snoopy84 3rd May 2004 08:26 PM

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If you don't mind the help of another Hungarian...
1. 17. SS Cavalry Regiment became a part of the 22. SS Cavalry Div. in may, 1944.; renamed 54. SS Cavalry Regiment (so these SS Cavalry Divisions had only three cav regiments each).
2. About those things you wrote about 13. Panzer Div. After 1943 German mechanised infantry was called panzergrenadiers, and infantry was called grenadiers (there were some schützen regiments also). In the panzer divs ther were no infantry brigades after 1943, and motorcycle units were found in armoured recon battalions, if there were not enough armoured vehicles (there weren't).

If you need help, just tell me, because as I see there are other mistakes in the OOB; and some problems with Hungarian spelling. ;) I'll look after exact info about these things.

snoopy84 4th May 2004 09:41 AM

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The 4. Panzer Regiment's I. Battalion was used as an independent Panther-Abteilung since early 1944, so the Regiment had it's II. and III. Batts (filled up with the 2110. Panzer-Abteilung in september, 1944.) while fighting in Hungary.

snoopy84 4th May 2004 10:43 AM

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1. KG Erno should be called KG Billnitzer, because that was his first name. (Billnitzer Ernő, in Hungarian).
2. A German Panzer-Division usually organized 3 or 4 battlegroups from it's units.
- if the armoured recon btl was used separately in the recon role, it was reinforced with some tanks/SP guns/TDs; called Schnelle Gruppe (this was more common).
- one Panzergruppe: one tank btl (because armour shortages, almost all armour of the regiment late in the war); the one armoured pzgrenadier btl of the pzgren regiments (equipped with SPWs); the staff, SP inf. gun and SP AA gun companies of the regiment having the SPW battalion (these companies also Self-Propelled or mounted on SPWs); the armoured pzpioniere company of the pionier btl (equipped with SPWs); the SP howitzer battalion of the div's arty regiment; and sometimes the rec btl in the light pzgren role.
- one or two inf BGs: the pzgren regiments (motorized, not mechanized!) reinforced with one artillery btl, a pioniere company, a pzjaeger company, AA units etc. each.

Of course if ther weren't enough men or equipment, this was reorganized, but this was the most common way.

Kruger 5th May 2004 01:11 PM

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And therefore I wrote "this is my proposition". I don't speak perfect english, and therefore i must use help my translator - El Comendante. But I understand much.
So, my information abot OB SS Cavalry Divisions come from website "Feldgrau". Off course I must change uncorrected informations. Give my corrected OOB german and hungarian divisions.
About 13 Panzer Division. In Budapest stay sad remainder of the division, tanks, some artillery, not much infrantry. I divide this artificially for two groups - I (first) and II (second), Panzer Regiment because in town stay mailny tanks. If it is necessary, El Comendante will translate this better.
Off course we need help. We onlu just started work, and many informations (books and websides) are incorrected. Write alle mistakes in OOB.
Billnitzer is changed.

El Comendante 5th May 2004 02:48 PM

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Snoopy84, as a Hungarian could you find the maps (city plans) of Budapest during or before the war? We found several pictures of this city, including a few bridges (for example Szechenyi Lanchid), but its not enough...
Cheers,
Chris

snoopy84 6th May 2004 10:16 AM

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I can't find any maps of BP from that time, not even a one which would be detailed enough. :confused-

All I found was this (I think from 1940):
If you need some explanation or details about this, than I'll work a bit on it.

kgvonmenng 9th May 2004 03:22 AM

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El Comandante, etc:

Here's some budapest pics I came across that you might find useful for the debrief/splash screens:

Kruger 10th May 2004 08:11 AM

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Thanks, I have this photos, but in a lesser, worse distributiving.

Kruger 17th May 2004 09:46 AM

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This is my last job. Like I say, I'm learning Photoshop, so this is not very good, but this is some progress.
I present known bridge of Budapest - Chain Bridge (Szehenyi Lanchid).
The shadows are to correction of course.
Second screen is bridge from map Houx (Meusse Crossing). I use this to work my bridge.

snoopy84 17th May 2004 01:34 PM

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I think Lánchíd is really good.

Kruger 18th May 2004 10:11 AM

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For show you size of this bridge I add to him two tanks - Tiger and Hetzer in comparable scale. Incorrect camouflage, but that's no the point.

Kruger 18th May 2004 10:15 AM

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And now time to OOB allied forces arround Budapest.
I have data (OOB) some contradictory with a OOB Uberdave’s, and my OOB is still incomplete. If the thing in hand is cotradictory with Uberdave, I write this in bracket.

Forces besiege Pest.
(At first – 46 Army but in interesting us time this army cross Danube river and besiege Buda)

30 Independent Rifle Corps
25 Guards Division (Uberdave – shortage)
36 Guards Division (Uberdave – Rifle Division)
151 Rifle Division
155 Rifle Division

7 Romanian Corps
2 Infrantry Division
19 Infrantry Division
9 Cavalry Division

18 Rifle Corps
297 Rifle Division (Uberdave – Guards Division)
317 Rifle Division (Uberdave – Guards Division)

also
66 Guards Division (subordinate probably to 18 Rifle Corps – as wrote Uberdave)
68 Guards Division (at first serely subordinate to 46 Army, later probably to 18 Rifle Corps – as wrote Uberdave)
337 Rifle Division (Uberdave – shortage)
Elements tank brigades (probably from Gen. Plijew’s Rapid Group or from 27 Guards Army)
Breakthru artillery division (probably 16) and AA artillery

Together – ca. 67-70 thousands soldiers

Forces besiege Buda

10 Guards Corps (later 2 divisions move to fight with SS Panzer Corps Otto Gill’s)
49 Guards Division
86 Guards Division
109 Guards division (Uberdaves OOB, I havent this in my source)
180 Rifle Division (Uberdave – Guards Division)

23 Rifle Corps
99 Rifle Division
316 Rifle Division

37 Rifle Corps
59 Rifle Division (Uberdave – Guards Division)
108 Rifle Division (Uberdave – Guards Division)
320 Rifle Division

75 Rifle Corps (this is enigmatic matter. This corps appear in my source two times, in map and one time in text but without details. I found him in webside too, in hungarian map of Budapest siege but without details too. Uberdave – shortage. I don’t know his divisions)

Elements 2 Mechanized Corps (which? I don’t know. Whole Corps move later to fight with SS panzer Corps, Uberdave – shortage)

Elements 18 Armoured Corps (I don’t know too which elements)

83 Marine Infrantry Brigade (probably in Csepel Island, Uberdave – in 18 Rifle Corps)
Breakthru artillery division (probably 7 or 9) and AA artillery.

Together – ca. 70 thousnads soldiers.
Tanks brigades, breakthru artillery, AA artillery, marine brigade – ca. 40 thousands soldiers (Buda + Pest).

Partition for battlegroups (proposition). One division – one battlegroup, so:
7 Romanian Corps – 3 battlegroups,
30 Independent Rifle Corps – 4 battlegroups,
18 Rifle Corps – 2 battlegroups,
additional divisions arround Pest – 3 battlegroups,
23 Rifle Corps – 2 battlegroups,
37 Rifle Corps – 3 battlegroups,
10 Guard Corps (2 divisions in Buda) – 2 battlegroups,
75 Rifle Corps (probably) – 3 battlegroups,
2 Mechanized Corps – 1 battlegroup,
18 Armoured Corps – 1 battlegroup,
Marine Brigade – 1 battlegroup.

We have still 2 battlegroups for remain divisions of 10 Guards Corps, which fight with SS Panzer Corps in hipotetical operation.

snoopy84 18th May 2004 02:34 PM

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For a first look, the size seems correct. If the Tiger's width is 3,705m, the road on the bridge is around 5m (by the picture); I think thats OK. But the pavement looks a bit too wide, Don't know. Can you show a few men on the bridge to see this?

GSBluecher 18th May 2004 03:38 PM

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well, the bridge looks good! If you just started mapmaking i have to warn you .. once you have started its hard to stop, like a virus ;-D

btw: Will you have maximum size maps in Buda mod?

Kruger 19th May 2004 09:16 AM

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Maps will be different, small and big. This map is 2880x2040.
Below - bridge and him map.

Kruger 11th June 2004 02:59 PM

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My new job - 2 propositions for splash screen.
First this is photo of bridge Miklos Horthy (ruins). Second this is original german order from battle of Budapest.
What do you think about it?

ironcross1 11th June 2004 03:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kruger
My new job - 2 propositions for splash screen.
First this is photo of bridge Miklos Horthy (ruins). Second this is original german order from battle of Budapest.
What do you think about it?

I think the first one is very good, but i dont think the fonts fits the image (maybe make the smaller or colour around the edeges of the font). Btw i really like you bridge map, i will give it 8 out of 10.

snoopy84 16th June 2004 06:23 PM

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I think the first one is better. What will be the timeframe?


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